Frame Head Bolts

Started by Dave DND, February 06, 2017, 06:13:36 PM

« previous - next »

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
I am getting some bits together to make some form of towing frame attachment to the front of my Buggy and I am looking at replacing the four frame head bolts that hold on the front beam with something around 6mm longer to allow me to bolt a heavy plate on there.

Apart from size and length, which I can work out form measuring mine, what sort of spec / grade do I need to go for?   ???


Any other pointers / do`s / don`ts for attatching anything here would be much appreciated  :-\
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


Manxdavid

Forum Moderator
******
Buggy Fanatic
Posts: 6,121
Meyers Manx UK-00-002
Location: Anglesey, North Wales.
#1
Don't buy the longer bolts that are sold for fitment with caster shims. The last ones I bought (Bugpack) were the wrong thread! They supplied 1/2 inch unf instead of M12x1.5 pitch.

The standard spec is 10.9

This is a good guide...

http://www.volksbolts.com/vwb2.htm
"Ah, Beach Buggies, sure, just a quick cheap way of getting a few more years out of a rusty Beetle. You can throw one together in a weekend." anon.

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
Brilliant link David - thanks !!

gives me the sizes I need without needing to take mine apart  :D

;-)up
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


Manxdavid

Forum Moderator
******
Buggy Fanatic
Posts: 6,121
Meyers Manx UK-00-002
Location: Anglesey, North Wales.
Quote from: Dave DND on February 06, 2017, 07:08:00 PM
Brilliant link David - thanks !!

gives me the sizes I need without needing to take mine apart  :D

;-)up

If you click on the eBay links it gives specs for most of the fixings.
"Ah, Beach Buggies, sure, just a quick cheap way of getting a few more years out of a rusty Beetle. You can throw one together in a weekend." anon.

mm289

**
Buggy Addict
Posts: 240
Predator
Location: Dover, Kent
Yep, they are M12 x 1.5 as David says, which is a fine thread - most M12's are 1.75

You can order them from specialist bolt suppliers rather than the VW scene guys, that's what I did when I was fitting my a-frame.

If you get stuck let me know cause i think I have some new ones left over from when I did mine, was a 10No. minimum order quantity or something, so can chuck them in the post if you need some.

Cheers,

Paul.
Predator 1600TP
1986 T25 Panel Van 1.9TD
1989 T25 Autosleeper 2.1 WBX (project)
1978 Late Bay Camper (even bigger poject)
1949 Dodge Business Coupe (older but better nick than the 'Bay!)
2008 Bullitt Mustang

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
#5
Paul,

What length are your ones you have left over?

Any pictures of your bracket that you made too?
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


Manxdavid

Forum Moderator
******
Buggy Fanatic
Posts: 6,121
Meyers Manx UK-00-002
Location: Anglesey, North Wales.
I've got an M12x1.5 tap that you can borrow if you need to clean the threads up (maybe if the bolts are slightly longer). It's used to being sent off in a Jiffy bag... ;D
"Ah, Beach Buggies, sure, just a quick cheap way of getting a few more years out of a rusty Beetle. You can throw one together in a weekend." anon.

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
Appreciate the offer David - will let you know  ;)
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


Mickyb

********
Buggy Lord
Posts: 807
GP MK2 LWB
Location: Worcester Park
Dave I have a set of bolts I bought for the same reason I got them from namrick you can get different lengths.

I will be interested in how you mount the towing frame.

http://www.namrick.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=315385&PN=Home_Metric_Fine_HT_Head_Bolts_29%2ehtml#SID=29?a315385

This is what I ordered I checked them today and they are 1cm longer than the standard bolts.

ITEMS ORDERED

Shopping Basket (Prices in British Pounds)
REF                  DESCRIPTION                    QUANTITY        PRICE        COST
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
315385                M12 x 100mm 1.5mm Pitch - Hex          4        £1.59        £6.36
                      Head Bolt                                                         
==========================================================================================
                                                                  Subtotal:        £6.36
                                                                        VAT:        £1.27
                                                                      Total:        £7.63

Micky

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
#9
Micky,

the bolts on that link are only 8.8 grade and not strong enough for the beam -

10.9 is needed

general consensus from phoning about is that zinc plating can weaken the 10.9 grade, which is why self coloured seem to be the ones of choice   :-\

still looking about, but this is what I keep coming up with

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231918187562
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


Mickyb

********
Buggy Lord
Posts: 807
GP MK2 LWB
Location: Worcester Park
Thanks that's worth knowing I will get a new set, let me know what you get please.
  ;-)up ;-)up

mm289

**
Buggy Addict
Posts: 240
Predator
Location: Dover, Kent
Hi Dave, mine are 100mm but are 8.8 zinc plated as well.

Cheers,

Paul.
Predator 1600TP
1986 T25 Panel Van 1.9TD
1989 T25 Autosleeper 2.1 WBX (project)
1978 Late Bay Camper (even bigger poject)
1949 Dodge Business Coupe (older but better nick than the 'Bay!)
2008 Bullitt Mustang

Dave DND

Global Moderator
******
Buggy Expert
Posts: 11,803
Hustler GT
Location: Paignton, Devon
Quote from: mm289 on February 07, 2017, 09:46:57 PM
Hi Dave, mine are 100mm but are 8.8 zinc plated as well.

Oh bum.

Thanks for looking anyway  ;)
07801 131144 / 01803 391680
dave@dndservices.co.uk


DeeJay

*
Jr. Member
Posts: 47
Blue Metalflake Manx 2
Volksbolts suggests and supplies 12.9 bolts for all suspension components (including front axle) with Dracomet 'coating' which apparently is not a plating but a coating and does not affect the original bolt strength.  Depends how fussy you are about bolts strength at critical points I guess.  12.9 would seem to be original VW spec, but 10.9 might be OK given the reduced weight of a buggy.

DeeJay

*
Jr. Member
Posts: 47
Blue Metalflake Manx 2

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk