Towing with car/Licence rules and what you can tow.

Started by Hazel, April 09, 2013, 07:02:37 PM

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Quote from: apmaman on May 23, 2013, 05:34:06 PM
Buggy weights 600kg... Surely thats OK to be towed on an A frame without needing it to be braked. Just whack on the tow light bar on the back and off we go?

May be on a technicality as a trailer is a dead unregistered item the car is self propelled so not a trailer.
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The rules changed and they are actually very simple.

If whatever you are towing has brakes fitted, then they have to operate from the towing vehicle.
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Quote from: apmaman on May 23, 2013, 05:34:06 PM
Buggy weights 600kg... Surely thats OK to be towed on an A frame without needing it to be braked. Just whack on the tow light bar on the back and off we go?

That used to be the way but nowaday's if the trailer or vehicle's got brakes fitted then they've got to work.

I'd certainly use your reasoning as an excuse if I got stopped though.
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Quote from: Manxdavid on May 23, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: apmaman on May 23, 2013, 05:34:06 PM
Buggy weights 600kg... Surely thats OK to be towed on an A frame without needing it to be braked. Just whack on the tow light bar on the back and off we go?

That used to be the way but nowaday's if the trailer or vehicle's got brakes fitted then they've got to work.

I'd certainly use your reasoning as an excuse if I got stopped though.

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Quote from: Dave DND on May 23, 2013, 06:07:40 PM
The rules changed and they are actually very simple.

If whatever you are towing has brakes fitted, then they have to operate from the towing vehicle.

Ah booo. The tow hitch on my buggy has been made so it hitches on and thats it. Guess I'll need to made an A frame mount or something.

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I'm just as upset about this recent update to the law of the road - I have been A-framing my buggy around for years without issue, now my A-frame is illegal as it does not have any way of interacting with the brakes on the buggy.

The buggy is wired such that it has a trailer board socket at the front that connects to the lighting circuits and I mount trailer warning triangles as well to show it is a trailer.

I used to padlock the hitch closed and use a motorbike padlock and chain to secure the A-frame to the towing car just in case the hitch broke loose, the towing car weighing substantially more than the buggy and the buggy well within the towing car's towing capacity, but apparently this is not enough any more.

So now I have to look for an alternate A-frame, potentially one that has inertia braking and a break-away cable attached to the A-frame hand brake. I also need to have a means of connecting to either the brake pedal, or to the handbrake in order to facilitate the requirement for the buggy brakes to be active whilst towing.

However, there is yet another European directive, UN ECE Regulation 13 section 5.2.2.2, coming into effect in 2014, that stipulates that inertia braking can only be used on centre axle trailers, this would effectively mean that inertia braked A-frames would also become illegal. VOSA has still yet to decide how to implement this directive in the UK, and if it would apply retrospectively to existing A-Frames.

So I think I may hold fire a little longer to see what happens with the legislation, rather than buy another heavy paperweight.
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These things arise from the idiots that push the rules saw a astra van with car trailer with a range rover on it  :o do these people get caught  ??? But bet if I put my buggy wieghting 540kg on an a frame I'd get a pull >:(
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so... time to buy a big car trailer then.....

just a shame theyre 20ft long and almost impossible for anyone to store....
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Quote from: apmaman on May 25, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
so... time to buy a big car trailer then.....

just a shame theyre 20ft long and almost impossible for anyone to store....
Thats the problem if there not bolted down some enterprising pikey will have it  ::)
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Quote from: Big Clem on May 25, 2013, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: apmaman on May 25, 2013, 10:20:38 PM
so... time to buy a big car trailer then.....

just a shame theyre 20ft long and almost impossible for anyone to store....
Thats the problem if there not bolted down some enterprising pikey will have it  ::)
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Only problem is a lot of the younger folk need to take a test to get the trailer category of their licence as we have had to put a load through it, it's ok for us old fogeys with it already on there ;-)up ;D

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Quote from: Big Clem on May 25, 2013, 09:02:16 PM
These things arise from the idiots that push the rules saw a astra van with car trailer with a range rover on it  :o do these people get caught  ??? But bet if I put my buggy wieghting 540kg on an a frame I'd get a pull >:(

Must be something special about astra vans I caught up with a white one (the best colour) towing a cast/steel roller(the big agricultural ones) well over 8ft wide down the A46 a few years ago no lights or nothing just lots of noise doing about 20mph and not a police car insight.

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great article and found this to compliment it .
Towing with a Motorhome - The Camping and Caravanning Club
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but really got me thinking more about what is a trailer ? at the end of a day its a drawabar with a braked axle . and as we all have trouble storing a normal trailer and dont want to have it around when not in use , just how basic can a trailer become ?

is it possible to extend the drawbar for a towing dolly and instead of picking up the front wheels , using airbag suspension , develop an chassis that would pick up the rear with the drawbar extending forward and out the front of the vehicle . i realise there are concerns about nose weights and such but trying to think out side the box and getting away from a flatbed trailer .

or summat like this



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Interesting idea..... :)

(Hope you don't mind, thought I would sort out your link above to actually shown the photos direct. ) ;-)up
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If space is an issue for storage of a flatbed trailer, why not consider a car dollie ?

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Ok so its $1200 in the USA, but would that be OK in this country? Since its braked, it would overcome the A frame braked/unbraked issue??

its pricely but got to be a bit of a solution may be?
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Quote from: Andys9 on June 18, 2013, 07:58:11 AM
is it possible to extend the drawbar for a towing dolly and instead of picking up the front wheels , using airbag suspension , develop an chassis that would pick up the rear with the drawbar extending forward and out the front of the vehicle . i realise there are concerns about nose weights and such but trying to think out side the box and getting away from a flatbed trailer .

or summat like this





Think you're talking about what the call a T trailer in the US


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