Extended sump fitting

Started by ajp, August 27, 2023, 02:00:39 PM

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Hi all,

I picked up a 2nd hand CB Performance 1.5 quart deep sump. Some questions about fitting if I may, please - I spanner on the street and need everything ready before I start draining oil!

Is it typical to swap the case studs for longer versions or do deep sumps normally bolt straight on? The sump has ~3.5mm thickness where it goes over the studs. Not sure what the standard cover/strainer thickness would be?

What size is the standard oil pick up pipe? I have a slotted extension pipe, but I'm thinking about using flexible hose instead to cut down on possible suction leaks? (believe I read that suggestion on the forum).

Do people still run an oil strainer with a deep sump...if so, how? the drain plate I have is considerably larger than standard. (CB-P do offer a filter kit on their website, but I haven't found a supplier here).

Many thanks,
Andy


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Hi Andy
From memory as I fitted mine years ago, a grown up will be along later to correct if I'm wrong.

Bolts. I seem to remember removing the studs and using socket head bolts which a touch of loctite. Whether they were necessary or simply made fitting possible I don't remember as I reckon it would be pretty tricky to get the nuts and washers back on compared to using a long Allen key. Obviously you need a new gasket between the sumps.

Extension pipe. I too didn't like the look of the slotted one and when I tried it the angle was crazy. I cut off the belled slotted piece and used oil and heat proof hose.

Sump strainer. Still needed and almost impossible to fit unless you can straighten out the extension pipe, a bit of flexibility in the hose sorts that

Good luck
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 Andy note the one stud has a nut inside the case to hold the oil strainer down.

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Quote from: Doon L001 on August 27, 2023, 02:40:03 PM
Hi Andy
From memory as I fitted mine years ago, a grown up will be along later to correct if I'm wrong.

Bolts. I seem to remember removing the studs and using socket head bolts which a touch of loctite. Whether they were necessary or simply made fitting possible I don't remember as I reckon it would be pretty tricky to get the nuts and washers back on compared to using a long Allen key. Obviously you need a new gasket between the sumps.

Extension pipe. I too didn't like the look of the slotted one and when I tried it the angle was crazy. I cut off the belled slotted piece and used oil and heat proof hose.

Sump strainer. Still needed and almost impossible to fit unless you can straighten out the extension pipe, a bit of flexibility in the hose sorts that

Good luck
Dave

Thanks Dave, much appreciated.

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Quote from: snoopy on August 27, 2023, 05:13:10 PM
Andy note the one stud has a nut inside the case to hold the oil strainer down.

Cheers Snoopy - my potential for missing that was high! ;-)up

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I know its an old post but why not!! If it is a CB one with its own size sump plate :-X they have longer studs easy to make or buy ..... An old oil vent pipe off the oil fill up stand is the same size :)..So a cut and weld job ... Or make a slip on one all ways use steel and have the right gap .. I seen a lot of engines where people take out the strainer and that nut ends up in the oil pump All ways use it.. Now do you need a deep sump probably not!!. Oil filter is more important..
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I can say this with experience  once fitted .make mental note of height of the black stuff to underside of sump---easily forgotten are high kerbs in car parks where the sump stops you =  been there done that in France   ;-)up
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Quote from: HUDGE BUGGY on September 13, 2023, 10:40:52 PM
I can say this with experience  once fitted .make mental note of height of the black stuff to underside of sump---easily forgotten are high kerbs in car parks where the sump stops you =  been there done that in France   ;-)up

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the Studs are M6 x 33mm long

and depending on the engine there are 3 different oil pick tube extentions





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