Just bought a project manta Ray with king and link front end and an L registration, it has two chassis numbers, the original and a riveted on one, log book says vw saloon and matches the riveted plate. The original chassis number leads to a k reg blue beach buggy currently on sorn. but I have no log book.
Just wondering if I should open this time of worms and apply for the log book
On a vin date check, the original vin comes up as November 58 build date
Ttfn Glenn
VIN number is a critical part of a legally registered road going vehicle. Vin number for a Beetle relates to that stamped into the tunnel top with asterick either side. A riveted vin plate on the chassis is not legal. A beetle etc has a riveted plate on its bodyshell which has an embossed vin number plus other details. To be legally compliant the V5C must have a vin number matching the original stamped number on the tunnel top.
The floorpan\chassis section of Type 1 & 3 were available from main agents as an official spare as were engine casings. The chassis and engine casings had no vin number stamped upon them. Engine numbers could be stamped yourself. Chassis vins... the dvla had to issue you with written permission to have a replacement chassis stamped with the vehicles original vin and the stamping had to be carried out by a dvla approved commercial\engineering shop.
I am not going to advise re- approaching the dvla. I have done this several times in days gone by and learned my lesson.
What I will say is if you buy a buggy or donor do yourself a big favour and ensure the vin is present as per ex-factory and that it matches 100% with the V5C
Quote from: 93fxdl on March 21, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
Just bought a project manta Ray with king and link front end and an L registration, it has two chassis numbers, the original and a riveted on one, log book says vw saloon and matches the riveted plate. The original chassis number leads to a k reg blue beach buggy currently on sorn. but I have no log book.
Just wondering if I should open this time of worms and apply for the log book
Interested how you traced a reg number from a chassis number?
Quote from: brummie_steve on March 25, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
Quote from: 93fxdl on March 21, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
Just bought a project manta Ray with king and link front end and an L registration, it has two chassis numbers, the original and a riveted on one, log book says vw saloon and matches the riveted plate. The original chassis number leads to a k reg blue beach buggy currently on sorn. but I have no log book.
Just wondering if I should open this time of worms and apply for the log book
Interested how you traced a reg number from a chassis number?
Me too ??? ;-)up
There used to be some online sites hat did that a while back, and I think that some car dealerships have better access to some government sites than we do through their subscription based hpi check service
A lot of them clamped down when we were debating the Brexit stuff and the silly rules were coming out thick and fast, but I`m sure that there will still be some out there
There's no win no fee services on eBay who will track the reg from a vin, around about a fiver
I used isitnicked.com put in your vin and it came back with part of the registration, description and current sorn status
Ttfn Glenn
I know it is an old post.. The Rag may pop up with a hpi check If so get a good one and see if it has a big Cat make etc agent it !! If you got the Reg Just put in for the v5 whit a V62.. More so If the engine numbers are the some .. I do live it the real world..So It may just be a case of someone pulled it out of a barn and it had no v5 so they gave it one :-X.. A like for like chassis swap!!! as 20years ago you had no hope of getting a reg from just a vin ....The dvla by not giving out a reg form the Vin can work for you or against you.
Further digging has possibly found a mess of dodgy dealing.
Looking like the buggy id has been used in a speedster replica which got pulled up by vosa for being incorrectly registered.
A speedster in need of iva became a buggy with a good logbook
Ttfn Glenn
Bad luck. Makes you want to punch the person who set you up...
So the buggy ID is that has been a speedster is the one actually stamped on the chassis not the one on the riveted plate that is now a MantaRay ?
I ask because I thought the one on the chassis came back as a blue beach buggy on SORN.
That is not good and you are stuck with the original VW chassis number and a VW saloon description V5 so that would be ok for a lwb buggy build with an unmodified pan. Wonder who owns the blue buggy that is sorn if it exists other than on the sysyem.
Think I may just roll the dice with dvla and apply for a logbook.
I have a chassis with a clear original vin showing and a riveted on tag.
If it goes pear shaped i still have other options
As an aside, unless things have changed, the v5 has no legal status, it is not a legal document.Ttfn
The original vin stamped on chassis relates to a blue buggy which I have no documents for.
The riveted on tag relates to a vw saloon which I have a v5 for
Ttfn Glenn
the v5 has no legal status,
Don`t assume this to be 100% correct. Many a document assumes legal status the moment it is submitted within a court of law as an item of evidence. (The thing to remember about the V5C is that it is not proof of ownership).
Say this due to experience,,,
Quote from: Paul1953 on July 22, 2020, 05:30:25 PM
the v5 has no legal status,
Don`t assume this to be 100% correct. Many a document assumes legal status the moment it is submitted within a court of law as an item of evidence. (The thing to remember about the V5C is that it is not proof of ownership).
Say this due to experience,,,
I have to agree - also due to experience (twice) >:(
Not being nasty here but some people have to learn the hard way. Treat DVLA contact of all type with kid gloves and great care. A very small minority get lucky... the rest do not.
Go for the log book £25 and v62 any one ask's you have the reg! And vin stamped in the chassis and say the id was stolen in the past.... I'm in the same boat ::) I got a rolling chassis with no v5 I hpi it came up with beach buggy with a very nice reg!.. I know the guy I got it from built a manx that he sold..Someone may lose a reg over it. .why me ::)..
Quote from: IDA on July 27, 2020, 02:28:35 PM
Go for the log book £25 and v62 any one ask's you have the reg! And vin stamped in the chassis and say the id was stolen in the past.... I'm in the same boat ::) I got a rolling chassis with no v5 I hpi it came up with beach buggy with a very nice reg!.. I know the guy I got it from built a manx that he sold..Someone may lose a reg over it. .why me ::)..
;-)up ;-)up ;-)up
Sounds the way to go
send the v62 .. The name on the v5 will get a letter and 14 to give why not.. I would add a pic of the vin number and buggy!
Tried an eBay seller and have had no reply so will claim a refund and try again. Could just send off the v62 with just the vin, but would rather go for it with both barrels
Ttfn Glenn
The e bay disputes team are pretty useless from personal experience they just drag it out hoping you loose interest. Use the DVLA route they can and do make mistakes on the system it is easily done on computers just a digit out that gets missed or the incorrect interpretation of some peoples handwriting.
Tried another vin check service, chap failed to get any results.
Rechecked on isitknicked.com comes back as blue beach buggy
Sorn, not stolen, possible registration change. Current registration ???? 23K
If it were me, I would go for the log book, especially if you have the chassis available for an inspection if it went that way. If documents came back, in your favour, I would then probably make DVLA aware of the potential problem of a clone out there and get a caseworker on board.
I had a similar issue with a cloned car a Mk1 Golf GTi, but this was actually legitimately cloned. I was aware of this when I bought it off a mate really cheap. It was proven to be a problem on the production line where two cars came down with the same identity, even down to the hand written markers inside the panels where different stages were signed off by the workers. Both cars were registered but in a further error given the same number plate. DVLA were made aware of the problem but did nothing about it. My V5 came back showing 28 owners because nobody wanted either car for long. It only came to a head when the other one got stolen and the Police tuned up at my door to say that they had recovered my car - when I said do you mean that one there? They requested DVLA to revoke the other plate and all was well.
Sure, someone else may lose their reg over it, but in fairness it was probably not legitimate anyway
Applied for log book, just sitting back now, waiting for whatever happens
Ttfn Glenn
Reply from dvla,
Why did you not include the registration on the v62?
Repeated the bought as parts, no v5 that I had already told them, and sent it back to them
Ttfn Glenn
Have just heard back from dvla
Their is a problem and they want a built up vehicle report, also they want a photo of the vin number.
The photo is no problem, but not to sure about the build up, as all I did was reassemble and paint
Still will fill in what I can and await results
Ttfn Glenn
Fill in report as comprehensively as you can. I have had the "insufficient information" response more than once. Good luck, Merry Xmas and all the best for the New Year. :) :)
Re the 'Built up vehicle report' I've always found 'Original- VW' is the best answer for most catagories. Even if parts have been replaced in the past they're still original style aren't they so you're not fibbing.
You're often dealing with a pen pusher who is not necessarily a car guy, and too much information can confuse them.
Richard D's form was about right. As I say, just tell them what they need to know but keep it simple.
http://www.beachbuggy.info/index.php/topic,13161.0.html
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You inferred that you bought this as parts with no reg number - Make sure to emphasis the point that you bought this as a previously assembled and roadgoing vehicle from someone that had stripped it down for restoration purposes with a few minor parts lost (inc reg plates) and that you are NOT building this up for the first time - You need to convince them it was previously completed and registered.
If they get whiff that this is an initial build up, then they may throw IVA back at you, so its important to make them aware of the situation.
Do DVLA know that you didn't originally know the reg or had you found the reg by the time you contacted them? If the latter it'd be worth getting plates made (show plates, eBay) if you've got to send in photos. If it were mine I'd give it a quick roller coat of blue emulsion paint too so it further matches their records, it'd just jet wash off later.
I'd give it a quick roller coat of blue emulsion paint too so it further matches their records, it'd just jet wash off later
U have been watching too many American criminal films Dave ;D ;D ;D ;)
Quote from: Paul1953 on December 23, 2020, 01:02:36 PM
I'd give it a quick roller coat of blue emulsion paint too so it further matches their records, it'd just jet wash off later
U have been watching too many American criminal films Dave ;D ;D ;D ;)
I learned everything I know from watching the A Team and the Dukes of Hazzard... ;D
Me thinks you watched Dukes of Hazard for a weekly fix of Daisy Duke ;-)up
Quote from: Paul1953 on December 23, 2020, 02:26:10 PM
Me thinks you watched Dukes of Hazard for a weekly fix of Daisy Duke ;-)up
Didn`t we all :-\
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thanks for all the advice, 8) 8) 8) ;)
Finally extracted the digit, and replied to dvla.
Emphasized the existing car not a modern build with picture of the original vin number complete with vw end marks
Ttfn Glenn
Tried vin to reg on facebook
Result now have the registration
Will be e-mailing dvla tomorrow with the additional info
Ttfn Glenn
;-)up good news so far
Quote from: snoopy on February 03, 2021, 09:47:43 PM
;-)up good news so far
Or perhaps not for whoever has my reg on their car
So have fired off an email to dvla just wait for a response now
Ttfn Glenn
Thats good news that you have tracked down a reg number, and as you say, could be bad news for someone else.
My experience with the "powers that be" are that you need to be quite firm with them and stand your ground, but it never hurts to also plant a little seed and let them think that "they" found a solution to the problem. Personally, I would also add a small line on my note to say that a registration number has obviously been issued in error by DVLA to someone else, but that you have no issues with a new registration number being issued rather than trying to retain the old one. They are inundated at the moment and may even see this as a quick and easy way out.
:-\
Good advice Dave. My approach to jobsworths is always "I don't suppose it's within your powers to.....?" It often works ;-)up
Thanks for the advice, last night's e-mail was just an information one, just to say the registration and when it was first registered, at the moment I am playing dumb,
I have a buggy with
Vin is xxxxxx
Registration is xxx xxx
Built in 1972
Please sir can I have a V5
Ttfn w
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 04, 2021, 10:57:27 AM
Thanks for the advice, last night's e-mail was just an information one, just to say the registration and when it was first registered, at the moment I am playing dumb,
I have a buggy with
Vin is xxxxxx
Registration is xxx xxx
Built in 1972
Please sir can I have a V5
Ttfn w
Playing "Dumb" is a very good call, but don`t make the assumption that the person on the other end can think outside the box for a solution either.
They have a very strict code of conduct and their limited procedures are hampered by bureaucracy - far easier for them to just say no.
By gently suggesting something, you may trigger a thought of a process that they may actually know how to proceed with in order to help
Cheers for the advice
Things can vary depending on who you are dealing with
Petrolhead, jobsworth, enthusiastic or worn down by the daily grind, many people are struggling with stress and depression due to the current pandemic
Will just sit back and let things take their course, but am taking it as one step closer
Ttfn Glenn
I had my reg number 'put on hold' a while ago as someone in Nottingham had applied for a logbook for my buggy/ my reg number. It dragged on for a while and I was getting nowhere with emails etc to DVLA so eventually I just sent a V62 off with all my details on and a cheque and bingo, I got my reg number and V5 in my name back. Money talks, or it did then.
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 04, 2021, 12:48:32 PM
I had my reg number 'put on hold' a while ago as someone in Nottingham had applied for a logbook for my buggy/ my reg number. It dragged on for a while and I was getting nowhere with emails etc to DVLA so eventually I just sent a V62 off with all my details on and a cheque and bingo, I got my reg number and V5 in my name back. Money talks, or it did then.
Tempting !!
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 04, 2021, 02:30:11 PM
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 04, 2021, 12:48:32 PM
I had my reg number 'put on hold' a while ago as someone in Nottingham had applied for a logbook for my buggy/ my reg number. It dragged on for a while and I was getting nowhere with emails etc to DVLA so eventually I just sent a V62 off with all my details on and a cheque and bingo, I got my reg number and V5 in my name back. Money talks, or it did then.
Tempting !!
Indeed -
If you are the legitimate registrant of that number then I cannot see you have anything to lose bar the cost of a cheque and a stamp (always do it by paper, never electronically).
Worst case scenario, you are flagged up and I cannot see how you would be any worse off than you are now :-\
Think I am already flagged up since they wanted a built up vehicle report.
Dvla already have a postal order for a v5 so will wait it out for now
Ttfn Glenn
An image search with the registration has brought up a picture of a blue buggy, with the plate clearly visible.
Will try to add the picture later
Ttfn Glenn
Just to clarify,
This is not my buggy ( wish it was )
This is the registration which relates to my vin
Ttfn Glenn
Are you sure the blue buggy didn't have a 'legal' pan swap at some time keeping all its details and you have the old pan?
Are you 100% sure you have read your VIN correctly ie not mixed up an O and a zero ??
new pans were supplied with no numbers so you stamped your original on, what is the chassis number you are chasing.
I know someone that bought a rotten scooter frame with no reg or v5, when he tried chasing the docs the original scooter had been re-framed and was told it was and should have been scrap.
They should at least be forwarned, they could have bought it in good faith. It could get very messy for them.
That buggy is in a cruise with other buggies. Any date or location tagged with the photo?
Once I get home I will run through my due diligence, that I followed to track my buggys registration.
Mine is a complete buggy not just a pan
Ttfn Glenn
It looks like a Mike Hausmann stainless exhaust.
The Blue Buggy in question has been identified and owners contacted ;-)up
To save any further problems for them, lets keep the reg and pictures of that one off here for now
8)
Certainly, any additional information required i will be pleased to assist
Ttfn Glenn
Mate,
reading back through your post this all sounds really fishy.
Why did you buy a buggy that was registered as a VW Saloon on 1 chassis number then the tell DVLA you bought another chassis number as parts?
From my limited experience with DVLA they will pull both numbers and ask for inspections
Quote from: Flags on February 05, 2021, 10:52:08 PM
Mate,
reading back through your post this all sounds really fishy.
Why did you buy a buggy that was registered as a VW Saloon on 1 chassis number then the tell DVLA you bought another chassis number as parts?
From my limited experience with DVLA they will pull both numbers and ask for inspections
I bought a buggy cheaply, to use either as a project or break for parts. It has a riveted on vin stuck on the side of the tunnel ( means nothing ).
In the correct position on the top of the tunnel under layers of grime and paint, I uncovered the original vin, 8 digits,
One chassis
One vin
Came with a v5 which matches a riveted on plate so Had no provenance to this vehicle
Applied to dvla for a v5 matching that original unmodified vin number.
Although to be pedantic it's a chassis number as the vin standard came in later
Ttfn Glenn
Further to the questions about the legitimacy and originally of the id stamped into my buggy.
The stamping is clear, all numbers no letters, the security marks are clearly visible, and according to someone who knows about such things, the font style and security marks are correct for that era.
Ps made an error earlier it's a 7 digit not 8 digit chassis number
Ttfn Glenn
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis. The chassis number is only on the rear half and they used to put shortened chassis on Q plates pre SVA because there was always a chance in their eyes thst the front half was from a different donor.
Jus' sayin' ;-)up
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis. The chassis number is only on the rear half and they used to put shortened chassis on Q plates pre SVA because there was always a chance in their eyes thst the front half was from a different donor.
Jus' sayin' ;-)up
This chassis number was first registered as a beach buggy in 1972 which could fit the timeline 58/59 beetle converted and registered early 70s
Was registered in Liverpool so who knows what they might do
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 08, 2021, 10:29:50 AM
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis. The chassis number is only on the rear half and they used to put shortened chassis on Q plates pre SVA because there was always a chance in their eyes thst the front half was from a different donor.
Jus' sayin' ;-)up
QuoteWas registered in Liverpool so who knows what they might do
What does it matter where it was registered?
Doesn't matter in the slightest, but different offices may do things different ways
Also thought a light hearted comment might not go amiss
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:37:39 AM
What does it matter where it was registered?
Actually, that can have a big impact on things as back in the day, many of the LVLA centres did their own thing and made up their own rules, which is why it became centralized with everyone following the same rule book.
;-)up
The light hearted comments show that you have also done your homework to be aware of this ;)
Quote from: Dave DND on February 08, 2021, 10:51:25 AMActually, that can have a big impact on things as back in the day, many of the LVLA centres did their own thing and made up their own rules, which is why it became centralized with everyone following the same rule book.
'Following the same rulebook? The DVLA? I think you need a cup of tea and a lie down Dave🤣🤣🤣
Nurse!😃😃😃
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis.
The v5 lists it as a beach buggy so who is to say the chassis has been modified ?
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 08, 2021, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis.
The v5 lists it as a beach buggy so who is to say the chassis has been modified ?
They have been known to ask what the wheelbase is on receipt of the Built up vehicle report'form, and also prior to sending an SGS inspector out if they deem in necessary.
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 03:07:11 PM
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 08, 2021, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 10:07:45 AM
One barrier that DVLA may put in your way is the shortened chassis.
The v5 lists it as a beach buggy so who is to say the chassis has been modified ?
They have been known to ask what the wheelbase is on receipt of the Built up vehicle report'form, and also prior to sending an SGS inspector out if they deem in necessary.
But if the V5 says BEACH BUGGY, then it could be forcibly argued that the vehicle has already been inspected and met all of the criteria to be awarded that name on the V5. Chassis length is only required for new builds and those trying to claim MOT exemption if incorrectly registered.
Fully agree with that and as I heard it was a mantaray it would have been a short as a web search shows the swb ones.
Sure but it is a government agency that we're talking about here, 'shoulds and aught's' count for nothing when it comes to government.
Where is the OP actually up to with this process anyway? Any actual developments that can be broadcast?
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
Where is the OP actually up to with this process anyway? Any actual developments that can be broadcast?
I think waiting on DVLA for the next step ? :-\
Quote from: Dave DND on February 08, 2021, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 08, 2021, 03:31:13 PM
Where is the OP actually up to with this process anyway? Any actual developments that can be broadcast?
I think waiting on DVLA for the next step ? :-\
That is pretty much it
Sent for v5 with just chassis number, receive letter back saying there is a problem and wanting a built up vehicle report.
Emailed them stating a report was not needed as it was an existing vehicle.
Vin to reg provided a registration matching the vin.
Emailed dvla to add the registration to my application
Google image search brings up the blue buggy picture, which has led to the club contacting the owner of that buggy, and informing them what is happening
Yes it is a total fuster cluck
But has now reached the long wait for officialdom to go through the motions, so any advancement could be a long time coming
Ttfn Glenn
Try and keep the Blue Buggy away from any DVLA intervention as that will seriously confuse things
Quote from: Dave DND on February 08, 2021, 05:13:14 PM
Try and keep the Blue Buggy away from any DVLA intervention as that will seriously confuse things
All down to dvla now, I have no control or influence over anything.
I presume the way this will unfold is
Dvla will contact blue buggy about the registration, which I assume they will want to keep
Dvla will want an inspection of both vehicles
Dvla will make a decision
Or maybe something entirely different
Ttfn Glenn
Still not heard back from dvla, so have sent an email to them enquiring if anything is happening regarding my v5 application.
So as updates go this is pretty pathetic,
Ttfn Glenn
I wasn't aware that DVLA took any notice of emails or phone calls. I thought they were still just geared up for the written word :-\
Quote from: Manxdavid on February 28, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
I wasn't aware that DVLA took any notice of emails or phone calls. I thought they were still just geared up for the written word :-\
The letter they sent to me, about a month ago requesting additional information, included the option to communicate via e-mail
Ttfn Glenn
Prior to lockdown, if you could get a nominated caseworker on board, it was certainly possible (but not easy) to track them down and chat with them by phone - however, with most of them working from home now, I`m not sure how possible this is at the moment
Still not heard anything from dvla, so have fired off another email to their " where's my v5 " department
buggy has been on the back burner due to lots of motorcycle projects
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More pics when can get my phone working
Ttfn Glenn
Have spoken to dvla, my application is still being processed, they are contacting registered keeper, no hint on timeframe or any further actions
Ttfn Glenn
Contact from dvla today, now have an inspection booked, so maybe one step forward
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on June 22, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
Contact from dvla today, now have an inspection booked, so maybe one step forward
Ttfn Glenn
Make sure you also have to hand as much history and provenance as you can, pictures, photos, anything to prove its an old car and not a build in the last 20 years - difficult I know, but you need to get the inspector to accept its old and just needs an age related reg number
Not sure if I can help here in any official capacity, but please contact me if you can think of anything ;-)up
Quote from: Dave DND on June 22, 2021, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: 93fxdl on June 22, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
Contact from dvla today, now have an inspection booked, so maybe one step forward
Ttfn Glenn
Make sure you also have to hand as much history and provenance as you can, pictures, photos, anything to prove its an old car and not a build in the last 20 years - difficult I know, but you need to get the inspector to accept its old and just needs an age related reg number
Not sure if I can help here in any official capacity, but please contact me if you can think of anything ;-)up
Don't have anything to prove any history of the buggy except the shell is a mk2 manta, so dates from the 70s, the original chassis number on the pan relates to a 59 beetle, but as far as registration goes, it was registered as a beach buggy in 1974, the consideration here is identifying which buggy the ID belongs to
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on June 22, 2021, 11:32:09 PM
Don't have anything to prove any history of the buggy except the shell is a mk2 manta, so dates from the 70s, the original chassis number on the pan relates to a 59 beetle, but as far as registration goes, it was registered as a beach buggy in 1974,
Stick hard to that story - VERY HARD !
Even something like the Dune Buggy Book with pictures would add confirmation that these were done mid seventies, have that book to hand
Quote from: 93fxdl on June 22, 2021, 11:32:09 PM
the consideration here is identifying which buggy the ID belongs to
Try not to allow the conversation to go down that route at all -
Yours is old, has old bits and should therefore remain on old plates - Try and keep to that story
Good luck and keep us posted ;-)up
That is the inspection done, pictures of buggy, chassis and engine numbers taken, inspector says he will now write report to dvla, and they will then contact me.
What the outcome and timeframe will be is unknown
Ttfn Glenn
I assume they will use the chassis number to tie it to the original buggy registration number on record the original beetle log book registration number should be off the system.
Quote from: snoopy on June 23, 2021, 09:29:54 PM
I assume they will use the chassis number to tie it to the original buggy registration number on record the original beetle log book registration number should be off the system.
Possibly but this is dvla so anything is possible, will just wait and see what happens next.
Ttfn Glenn
Still not heard from dvla, so have fired off another email to them
;-)up ;-)up :-\ :-\
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on August 03, 2021, 09:05:25 PM
Still not heard from dvla, so have fired off another email to them
;-)up ;-)up :-\ :-\
Ttfn Glenn
I thought I heard on the news the other day something like 1.4 million backdated enquiries? Are they still taking Industrial Action ?
I phoned just over a week ago and was told, when eventually I got to speak to someone, that the backlog is "massive" and strike action still occurring. This is going to continue to be one almighty mess for anything other than automated on-line procedures for the forseeable.
Looking a bit like dvla is going to implode, or perhaps will get moved to a call centre in Mumbai
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not expecting much, but time will tell
Ttfn Glenn
Would probably get more sense out of them if they did ;D
I sent a V5C off to be 'amended' mid April, hadn't heard anything so emailed them last week, had a response within hours that it had been done and was in the post. It arrived today and had a very positive result.
There are staff there doing something ;-)up
Recieved a reply from dvla. The inspection report is with the appropriate department for processing , they are waiting for information from another department, before they can proceed
Ttfn Glenn
You could not make it up, why more than one department involved surely they all have access to the whole DVLA data base and ancillary parts.
Civil service, everything has to be separated into departments, increasing the number of department heads, so more jobs for the boys
Used to be, the more people you were in charge of, the more you were paid.
Also the more departments, the easier to spread any blame away from yourself
Ttfn Glenn
" report is with the appropriate department for processing " How many times have I heard this.. ;D ;D A standard generic response I suspect... Hang on in there ;-)up ;-)up
Recieved a phone call from dvla today.
Will be sending me a v5 once I inform them who I bought the buggy from and how I tracked down the registration from the vin number. Trawl through records and fired off an email reply.
Just waiting for the next hoop to jump through
Ttfn Glenn
Stay positive.... They are a pain in the bum... but eventually you should get somewhere.... ;-)up
Quote from: 93fxdl on August 17, 2021, 07:22:16 PM
Will be sending me a v5 once I inform them . . . . . how I tracked down the registration from the vin number.
In the olden days you could do that when applying for a V5 by putting down engine and chassis number and leaving Reg blank. ;D
Still not heard back, so fired off another email, if I have to jump through more hoops, it would be nice to be told about them.
At this rate might get to enjoy driving in snow with 10 inch wide wheels
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;D ;D ;D
Ttfn Glenn
Unbelievable and they are supposed to be hot on reducing car crime stuff.
A buggy registered as a beetle saloon is pretty safe from getting picked on.
Quote from: snoopy on September 03, 2021, 08:24:29 AM
Unbelievable and they are supposed to be hot on reducing car crime stuff.
A buggy registered as a beetle saloon is pretty safe from getting picked on.
They have put the onus onto mot stations, they do the detective work as part of the test.
Vin number, colour, number plates and does the vehicle match the v5 description,
All part of the test
Ttfn Glenn
Well over a year has passed on this adventure, and still waiting for a v5 ;D
Contacted dvla again and still no response.
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Will try yet again, maybe emphasize it's been over a year, if it wasn't already tax exemption, it would be by the time this gets sorted
8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) ;-)up
Ttfn Glenn
Rang up and spoke to my caseworker,
It's now with their policy department for a decision
Ttfn Glenn
That is unreal no wonder car cloning and criminality is rife.
Quote from: 93fxdl on October 21, 2021, 10:06:26 AM
Rang up and spoke to my caseworker,
It's now with their policy department for a decision
Ttfn Glenn
A year..... Not surprised at all.... it`s dvla....... a law unto themselves.....wonder what qualifications you need to work there ;D ;D
Recieved letter from dvla today.
In their wisdom they have decided to avoid the original identity and registration,
I will be receiving information on how it will have to be re registered on a Q plate
Wonder how involved that is going to be
Ttfn Glenn
A Q means you pay tax so below 1500cc is cheaper than over but the buggy is then bullet proof for modifications and changes it will also be exempt if they clamp down on historic vehicle use in the future.
Quote from: snoopy on October 28, 2021, 09:23:31 PM
A Q means you pay tax so below 1500cc is cheaper than over but the buggy is then bullet proof for modifications and changes it will also be exempt if they clamp down on historic vehicle use in the future.
As long as they don't insist on IVA test before issuing the Q plate.
Quote from: Manxdavid on October 28, 2021, 09:36:18 PM
Quote from: snoopy on October 28, 2021, 09:23:31 PM
A Q means you pay tax so below 1500cc is cheaper than over but the buggy is then bullet proof for modifications and changes it will also be exempt if they clamp down on historic vehicle use in the future.
As long as they don't insist on IVA test before issuing the Q plate.
This is a buggy that was built and correctly registered in the 70s, should now be tax and mot exempt as a classic vehicle
The chassis number has been checked and is a genuine stamping , all the running gear, body and mechanicals are period and vehicle correct so probably original
Just because of some nefarious dealings in the past, how can that be ignored
Makes a bit of a joke of the whole correctly registered thing, why bother with it when they can ignore it
Ttfn Glenn
Seems they have little interest in stuff outside their office walls they could have given you an age related plate, if you want to keep the historic ask them why the original is still on the road when you have the chassis even though they may reply that a chassis can be replaced with another new one from the manufacturer when damaged and it is legal.
However they could turn around and say yours should have been scrapped if that happened, sorry to say you are in a catch 22 situation.
Quote from: snoopy on October 29, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
Seems they have little interest in stuff outside their office walls they could have given you an age related plate, if you want to keep the historic ask them why the original is still on the road when you have the chassis even though they may reply that a chassis can be replaced with another new one from the manufacturer when damaged and it is legal.
However they could turn around and say yours should have been scrapped if that happened, sorry to say you are in a catch 22 situation.
The registration is now void, so no one has it, mine is the original and is not just a chassis it's a complete buggy,
In effect it is a barnfind that has had its identity used to ring another buggy
Ttfn Glenn
Bearing in mine it is a proven and well established vehicle, I would not be accepting their first and lets face it easy to fob you off reply of going down the Q route. I would be insisting that a case worker comes on board with immediate effect with a view to issuing you an age related plate.
If I can assist with any formal BBi stuff to back it up in any way, then please do not hesitate to ask
Quote from: Dave DND on October 29, 2021, 09:49:03 AM
Bearing in mine it is a proven and well established vehicle, I would not be accepting their first and lets face it easy to fob you off reply of going down the Q route. I would be insisting that a case worker comes on board with immediate effect with a view to issuing you an age related plate.
If I can assist with any formal BBi stuff to back it up in any way, then please do not hesitate to ask
Thank you I intend to fight this, not only for myself but the whole classic car world, so any assistance will be appreciated,
Wonder if this is some backlash from the Bugatti fiasco
Ttfn Glenn
So they have voided the registration that means the other buggy with it is now off the road, I wonder if they notified the owner.
Following some advice from another forum, I have submitted a FOI request to dvla, to see what information they hold on my buggy
Ttfn Glenn
I had a cloned car once, (actually it was a bit wierder than that as both actually came down the production line with the same numbers) and when the Police were knocking at my door, stood next to me car saying they had located the stolen one and had it in their compound, the powers that be immediately cancelled the numbers but did re-issue a new one a few weeks later.
They are following the correct procedure so far, but due to no staff and huge backlog are now looking for a quick and easy resolve with a Q plate - stand your ground
Quote from: 93fxdl on October 29, 2021, 11:54:58 AM
I intend to fight this, not only for myself but the whole classic car world, so any assistance will be appreciated,
I remember doing the same for VHI and MOT exemptions, and if you recall we not only beat DVLA, but got the legislation changed as a result.
Awesome team of helpers on here should you need them, and I know they will only be too ready to assist
Instead of wishing you good luck, I shall just say - Awaiting Instructions ;)
Glenn,
Ring me 07801131144
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Contacted my caseworker again.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
They want me to send all the information again to help my case
:-\ :-\ :-\
According to them the current owner of the blue buggy wants to keep my buggies v5 and identity
They have been informed of the correct registration for their vehicle
But I can only assume that it's not as correct as mine and possibly not mot and tax exempt
Ttfn Glenn
Mmm strange I cannot see how they can keep it if it belongs to your chassis, the owners lack of knowledge about what has gone on in the past is not a get out of jail card for keeping the reg number.
Quote from: snoopy on December 08, 2021, 05:26:55 PM
Mmm strange I cannot see how they can keep it if it belongs to your chassis, the owners lack of knowledge about what has gone on in the past is not a get out of jail card for keeping the reg number.
May be just dvla in arse covering mode
I have passed the correct registration number to someone in contact with the other owner
Doesn't say much for whoever's inspected the blue buggy
Dodgy vin stamping, wrong front suspension
Still, good job I wasn't in a hurry
;D ;D ::) :P
Ttfn Glenn
Finally got around to chasing dvla again about my v5, just waiting for a reply
Ttfn Glenn
This is dragging on I cannot believe they have not resolved it yet but we know DVLA are dysfunctional on some things
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Quote from: snoopy on January 19, 2022, 07:20:11 PM
This is dragging on I cannot believe they have not resolved it yet but we know DVLA are dysfunctional on some things
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Have to accept some blame myself, I have had a few bouts of depression, so not been chasing them, also the buggy is more of a back burner project so does not get much attention at the moment.
Also not of a catch 22 situation, no v5 not worth working on buggy. Not working on buggy so why bother with v5
Hopefully will get there one day
Ttfn Glenn
;spoke to my caseworker today,
Currently it's been moved to the policy department again, also they have tried to contact the blue buggy keeper, but no reply.
So the saga continues
Ttfn Glenn
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This could be a new netflix saga. ;-)up
Quote from: bajaowa on January 26, 2022, 12:39:16 PM
This could be a new netflix saga. ;-)up
Not enough, dragons, wizards, zombies, scantily clad women or action,
Keep thinking a good idea for a show would be, get teams of celebrities, influencers, reality show stars etc, take them to a remote island, and leave them there
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on January 26, 2022, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: bajaowa on January 26, 2022, 12:39:16 PM
This could be a new netflix saga. ;-)up
Not enough, dragons, wizards, zombies, scantily clad women or action,
Keep thinking a good idea for a show would be, get teams of celebrities, influencers, reality show stars etc, take them to a remote island, and leave them there
Ttfn Glenn
Corrected that for you, there's plenty of Zombies at the DVLA ;D
Quote from: Roadrunner on January 26, 2022, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: 93fxdl on January 26, 2022, 01:56:41 PM
Quote from: bajaowa on January 26, 2022, 12:39:16 PM
This could be a new netflix saga. ;-)up
Not enough, dragons, wizards, zombies, scantily clad women or action,
Keep thinking a good idea for a show would be, get teams of celebrities, influencers, reality show stars etc, take them to a remote island, and leave them there
Ttfn Glenn
Corrected that for you, there's plenty of Zombies at the DVLA ;D
Plenty of Dragons too - None of which I would want to see Scantly Clad either bleugh
;D
Recieved a letter from dvla today, they will be issuing me a v5 on the 10 Feb,
This will be for the original registration,
Thanks to everyone and especially Dave for the help support and advice over the decades this saga has been continuously evolving
Ttfn Glenn
Excellent news I wonder what they will issue to the other buggy.
Once the V5 is in your name with a plate on the car, it will indeed be good news
Looks promising so far though ;)
Unsure who the other Buggy has ended up with, but if any advice is needed to help them with their predicament, then please get in touch 8)
Quote from: snoopy on February 02, 2022, 11:14:48 AM
Excellent news I wonder what they will issue to the other buggy.
They'll probably inspect it and de-register it.
The owner of the other buggy has been informed, through a member of the forum, what there correct registration is, so hopefully they can just apply for it using a v62 form
;-)(-;
Ttfn Glenn
Quote from: 93fxdl on February 02, 2022, 02:42:53 PM
The owner of the other buggy has been informed, through a member of the forum, what there correct registration is, so hopefully they can just apply for it using a v62 form
;-)(-;
Ttfn Glenn
The other Buggy should be straightforward to sort out - V62 would be the most obvious one. The only real complication that may arise is from them digging their heels in and refusing to accept that they initially had an incorrect reg on their car to start with. Could go either way with DVLA that one, but any caseworker worth their salt would see the error straight away and probably just ask for a quick inspection or confirmation of numbers on the vehicle to ensure that they match the V5 and that normal service can then resume.
It does go to prove how essential it is to keep any information up to date, especially engine numbers, and to carefully check and scrutinize every single number on the vehicle and V5 when purchasing anything. I personally now ask for VIN and engine numbers to be included on any purchase receipts just in case.
V5 arrived today
Make beach buggy
Body convertible
Tax class historic
So a really good day for me, and 2022 just keeps getting better and better, need to get some number plates made, plus loads of other things and get it on the road for summer.
Thanks again for everyone's help and advice.
Ttfn Glenn
Great news.
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Well done mate, perseverance paid off ;-)up
That is good news so now start enjoying it.
Congrats must have been very frustrating 👍 Deb
That really is a result! You've had phenomenal patience and perseverance throughout the sorry tale, so glad it's paid off. Nice one.