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Members Buggies / Re: Prowler - Corvair (under construction
« on: January 26, 2021, 10:43:42 AM »
Brilliant explanation,

I was just about to ask what you have  just explained   ;-)up

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Beach Buggies For Sale / Re: Uva fugitive for sale
« on: January 25, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
Good to chat with you earlier and thanks for the payment

Good luck with the sale - looks like a cracking Rail for someone out there   ;-)up

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VW Parts For Sale / Re: SWB side pods
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:20:53 PM »
Still trying to fathom out a few other ideas and sketches at the moment

But if anyone else wants them, then first with the cash gets em   ;-)up

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 21, 2021, 10:48:34 PM »
Or just follow the latest advice!

Haagan Dazs
I know what I would do , it would involve the cheapest beetle with a v5 I could find.

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Lee Warren
Haagan Dazs
🤔 me too👍😂😂

Now I know that you are certainly not condoning the illegal concept of cloning a car that would ultimately end up with a custodial sentence, but that reply found on Facebook really sums up the stupidity on there -
All you would still end up with is BEETLE on the V5

Hardly worth the risk of doing Porridge for is it ?   ::)

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 21, 2021, 08:07:44 PM »
For those not up to speed with what recently happened to a Guy on Facebook, here is a brief explanation.

A Black Buggy appears to have been rebuilt/restored/purchased/renovated/whatever, lets just say a rather nice looking Buggy has just emerged from the garage and ready for the open road. The Owner decided that instead of saying something like Beetle on the V5 that they would like it to say Buggy instead in the mistaken idea that changing the Body Type would be as easy as say, changing a colour or engine number,where you just fill in the empty box and send it off the DVLA. However,this is the first time that DVLA have ever associated this particular registration number with a Buggy and they have now assumed it to be a new build. As a new build it is now subject to IVA etc. Until this hurdle has been overcome, DVLA have now retracted the registration number. I really feel for this guy as trying to get an older car through an IVA is somewhat difficult and my advice would always be to start from the ground up for compliance and think very carefully about tackling an older pre built one. Yes, it can be done, my have done it, but you are in for a lot of headaches along the way.

It has been suggested that this Buggy is now only worth anything if broken for parts, and whilst that may be correct, and not impossible to actually make more om breaking it up, it seems just a shame to do that just yet. Before I did that myself, I would always try to establish the full history of the car and establish some provenance. Thats where clubs and internet searches come in. Look for the registration number in old photos, can you see pictures of it at an old show, and if so, could you prove the date and location of that show beyond contestation? Background images etc etc

Because if you can, and you can prove a date of existence prior to 1988 (its a DVLA historical date), then gather all of your information and present it to one of the caseworkers at DVLA. They will argue the toss with you, you will have to stand your ground and throw every bit of history back at them, because at the end of it, if you can win them over, SWB/LWB/Beetle/Saloon it matters not, a they will be forced to award you an age related plate and a new name on your V5.

Many on here have done it   ;-)up

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 21, 2021, 01:56:28 PM »
So do ANPR cameras, speed cameras, mobile phone use cameras, Lidl car park cameras etc use the DVLA or DVSA data bases for vehicle descriptions?

Depends on the software they are running and which part of the country you are in as all forces are different. Most "Official" and "Mobile" users will initially use the DVSA to see if the vehicle complies with the Road Traffic Acts, but by the time they are talking to you the DVLA one will have been accessed to establish identity. Cash generators such as Car Parks etc, to my knowledge are not able to access DVSA as they only need to establish identity from DVLA.


I'm thinking DVLA are more concerned with road tax and getting $$$ from Parking Eye etc for your details and DVSA are more concerned if you're MOTd or not.

That is also my understanding

Any idea how I can find what DVSA have a vehicle described as? :-\ I'm not going to ask them as I've found them to be bigger idiots that the Swansea lot.


Should already be on your MOT Certificate   ;)

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 21, 2021, 10:34:40 AM »
The truly stupid will always look for justification of their views.

Slightly reworded maybe?

The truly stupid will always look to Karen on Facebook for justification of their views.

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 21, 2021, 08:06:06 AM »
If only people would come here first rather than just shout out on Facebook and get 1001 different answers most of them totally wrong.

I have never understood why people will trawl through pages and pages of experts saying "Don`t do it" until they find that one page on Facebook from Karen that says you can, and then they do it because she said it was ok. How did our society become so stupid ?

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 20, 2021, 10:45:52 PM »
I think half the problem is the V5 doesn't match the car presented for MOT Dave so instead of getting it MOT'd and those worms coming out of the can it seems common place to just ignore it, drive the car illegally and hope it might go away and just say they've never had any problems with plod or other.
Those times are changing and it'll not be long before they start getting pulled off the road as per the black one listed for sale on the other buggy forum that DVLA has pulled the reg off and issued a new VIN for and requested an IVA/SVA test because it was no longer a beetle.

Not strictly accurate. The MOT centres do actually have the abilities to alter the vehicle description for the VOSA database which actually differs from the DVLA database (yeah, I know) and most of the MOT guys are clued up enough to know that a Buggy is still just a VW Beetle in disguise. Present it in a different colour and they should refuse it, But Beetle / Saloon / Buggy? Most with be sympathetic and if you get someone who isn`t, walk away as lets face it, the car has failed its MOT already.

The Black Buggy you refer to is because someone stupidly just wanted the V5 to say Buggy. There are ways and means to do this and the devil is in the detail. Follow the rules and guidelines and it can be done, but if you just send in the paperwork with Buggy simply written on it, then they will just throw the book at you, which is what they did for that poor fella. Thats why it was pulled - no other reason.

A few years back when all of our legislation was being scrutinized for Brexit separation, DVLA threw everything at us, and I took them on personally, with the aid of a few knowledgeable Buggy specialists on here and we ended up not only changing the law for all classic cars, but they recognized that the only way to shut us up was to negotiate a special set of rules with us and also enlisted myself on their panel of experts. It was not easy, but a fair compromise was reached. Whilst it not be right for everyone, it did mean that our cars were not wiped off the roads in one foul swoop - and believe me, that was the goal they were aiming for. This is all well documented on here. But with all that now behind us, the problem of an incorrectly worded V5 whilst being annoying, its not the immediate problem it was back then. There are legitimate ways of having Beetle on your V5 and DVLA and the Police just do not have the manpower to challenge this, and probably won`t for the forseeable future. So whilst I have to advise people to stick to the rules, if you are unable to for whatever reason, then don`t draw attention to yourself with any stupidity.

But if you are building a new Buggy or notifying DVLA of a change to a Buggy, then certain Rules have to be followed - And we are here to help you.

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VW Parts For Sale / Re: SWB side pods
« on: January 20, 2021, 11:07:45 AM »
Dave DND I can collect and get them to Hereford if it helps?

Much appreciated - just trying to ascertain what they look like so I can weigh up all options at the moment   ;)

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Beach Buggy Electrical Help / Re: buggy re wire
« on: January 20, 2021, 08:35:37 AM »
probably why Haines finally put an end to producing their hardcopy manuals just before xmas

 :o :o :o :o Had not heard that one   :o :o :o :o

Really    ???

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Beach Buggy IVA / SVA Help / Re: IVA / SVA Overview
« on: January 19, 2021, 07:54:19 PM »
Well thatís that cleared up then🤔
Many thanks.

 ;D ;D As far as i've read if it was a buggy and reg'd as such for 30+ years then MOT exempt.
If not then it isn't.
If the chassis has been substantially modified i.e. cut then not exempt.
As far as i've read for body change the new body should not be a major change from the original i.e. a beetle shape and hard top.
Now as far as i can see even Stevie Wonder would be able to see that a beach buggy open top body shell is nothing like a beetle saloon body so how can that not be a substantial modification?
Changing the body will void the MOT exemption as i was told by the kit cat man at DVLA.
Mine is LWB so not chassis mod but is not MOT exempt as it was not build 30+ years ago and V5 changed to beach buggy in 2004 so mine will be exempt in 24 years.
How anyone can seriously say and think that taking a steel 2 door saloon body off a chassis and bolting a fibreglass open top non beetle looking body to it and say it's not substantially modified and mot exempt must have rocks in their head.
For £45 why don't people just get it done?

Yep - You nearly understood that perfectly

But changing the Beetle shell to a fibreglass one is not actually classed as a substantial modification (well yes it is, but) it actually comes under the caveat of "Radically altered in its visual appearance" - which means that they can see its different before starting to get technical

For £45 why don't people just get it done?  -  ;-)up


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Newbie Welcome Area / Re: New to all this
« on: January 19, 2021, 07:07:48 PM »
Time for a Build Thread in the Members Buggies Section I think   ;)

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VW Parts For Sale / Re: SWB side pods
« on: January 19, 2021, 05:57:09 PM »
Any pictures please?

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Newbie Welcome Area / Re: Hi from Bournemouth!
« on: January 18, 2021, 01:38:15 PM »
Welcome aboard - Dig out some pictures of your previous Buggy and post them on here  ;-)up

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