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Build yes or no

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this user is offline Jerrybug

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on: January 05, 2019, 04:35:25 PM
I have a 1972 floorpan I was going to build a short wheel base buggy but I’ve heard of the IVA sounds impossible to pass. Or should I build a long wheel base that I guess I can just get MOT and update the V5 or do I go down the Q plate route. I’d really like a short wheel base buggy, any advice would be appreciated


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Reply #1 on: January 05, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
LWB is easy if you use a donor beeetle with matching chassis and engine numbers as it is classed as a body swap, you can strengthen the floor but not modify it from original.
SWB is a whole new ball game and needs building to the IVA manual standards then you get a new registration and loose the historic status.

If you really want a swb it is better to buy a buggy already registered the road or a project and do a rebuiled to how you want it.


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Reply #2 on: January 05, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
Thanks for the advice. Would I be able to use a Q plate to build a swb ?   


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Reply #3 on: January 05, 2019, 09:10:46 PM
Thanks for the advice. Would I be able to use a Q plate to build a swb ?

It'd still need to pass an iva test before getting a Q plate.
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Reply #4 on: January 05, 2019, 09:22:37 PM
Jerry wants to build a Manx SWB buggy, he has already bought an old beetle and started stripping it. I told him it could be a lot of work, money and time to get it on the road. So I gave him a second option to consider! I offered him a VW   Q plate LWB chassis with convertible on it and told him to do his homework. Perhaps his question came across wrong ;-)up

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Reply #5 on: January 06, 2019, 08:48:57 AM
Ah that is different a Q is unknown origin so you will pay road tax and it is already registered as such so changes can happen it is not going from a standard vw saloon to a swb, it could even have been a full space frame when registered.


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Reply #6 on: January 06, 2019, 09:09:40 AM
The only disadvantage of a Q plate is having to pay road tax, but if it shows CONVERTIBLE on there, then it ticks an awful lot of boxes  ;-)up

IVA is possible, many on here have done it, but it is not without its problems if you deviate from the very strict rules.

My personal opinion is that a Q reg chassis with CONVERTIBLE is like gold dust, and if you don`t want it, then I would like to express my interest in it myself

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Reply #7 on: January 06, 2019, 10:13:43 AM
If the V5C shows the first registration date as pre '78 it can still be tax exempt, at least according to one person at DVLA:

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"I should advise that if it shows on your V5/V5C registration document that
the Q registered vehicle is registered/manufactured before 1/1/1973 you may
then apply for a free tax disc under the Historical taxation class at your
local DVLA office (list contained on the web site below) by producing :-

The V5/V5C registration document/certificate,

MOT

Insurance

If you have any vehicle registered/made after that date you would normally
have to pay for the tax disc.

Please phone me on telephone no. 01792/766260 if you require further
information.

Cheers Gary"

I presume a post office would sort it now that all the DVLA regional offices are shut.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2019, 10:16:34 AM by Manxdavid »
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Reply #8 on: January 06, 2019, 10:16:57 AM
If the V5C shows the first registration date as pre '78 it can still be tax exempt, at least according to one person at DVLA:

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"I should advise that if it shows on your V5/V5C registration document that
the Q registered vehicle is registered/manufactured before 1/1/1973 you may
then apply for a free tax disc under the Historical taxation class at your
local DVLA office (list contained on the web site below) by producing :-

The V5/V5C registration document/certificate,

MOT

Insurance

If you have any vehicle registered/made after that date you would normally
have to pay for the tax disc.

Please phone me on telephone no. 01792/766260 if you require further
information.

Cheers Gary"

Interesting . . .    ???

Do we have any "official" documentation for the archives with that one  ???
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Reply #9 on: January 06, 2019, 10:23:40 AM
If the V5C shows the first registration date as pre '78 it can still be tax exempt, at least according to one person at DVLA:

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"I should advise that if it shows on your V5/V5C registration document that
the Q registered vehicle is registered/manufactured before 1/1/1973 you may
then apply for a free tax disc under the Historical taxation class at your
local DVLA office (list contained on the web site below) by producing :-

The V5/V5C registration document/certificate,

MOT

Insurance

If you have any vehicle registered/made after that date you would normally
have to pay for the tax disc.

Please phone me on telephone no. 01792/766260 if you require further
information.

Cheers Gary"

Interesting . . .    ???

Do we have any "official" documentation for the archives with that one  ???

Sorry no, just a found forum post stored in the depths of my computer.

Gary's probably retired or had a nervous breakdown by now  :-\

I could ask the question on Facebook... ;D

« Last Edit: January 06, 2019, 10:25:39 AM by Manxdavid »
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Reply #10 on: January 06, 2019, 11:07:22 AM
Gary is wrong as a the Q is issued as a new registration from that date ( no previous history known) and they were not available until the 80's so no historic tax


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Reply #11 on: January 06, 2019, 11:18:18 AM
Gary is wrong as a the Q is issued as a new registration from that date ( no previous history known) and they were not available until the 80's so no historic tax

Again there were cross wires at the DVLC back then as I have seen Q reg logbooks with the original reg date (eg 1972) left on.
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Reply #12 on: January 06, 2019, 11:46:49 AM
Anyway, to answer the original question yes, build it! Use the Q plate chassis and logbook and sell your chassis on to recoup some $$$.

« Last Edit: January 06, 2019, 12:26:56 PM by Manxdavid »
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Reply #13 on: January 06, 2019, 12:09:58 PM
Gary is wrong as a the Q is issued as a new registration from that date ( no previous history known) and they were not available until the 80's so no historic tax

Again there were cross wires at the DVLC back then as I have seen Q reg logbooks with the original reg date (eg 1972) left on.

To the best of my knowledge, Q was initially applied to Kit Car conversions where the vehicle was of unknown make or origin (not age), it was also slapped on a few imports of that time too, but not uncommon to retain the rest of the details on the V5. Remember that back then, the V5 was nothing more than a printout of what the vehicle was, and its only when DVLA started to apply bureaucracy to different parts of the V5 that it all went horribly wrong with age related references.


Anyway, to answer the original question yes, build it! Use the Q plate chassis and logbook and sell your chassis on to recoup some $$$.

Could not think of a better worded answer   ;-)up ;-)up ;-)up
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Reply #14 on: January 06, 2019, 07:54:30 PM
From some distant part of my memory I seem to remember that Q plates were issued to kit cars where more than 1 donor car was used. So say you built a Jago jeep or rickman ranger you could keep the reg of the donor vehicle if you used its parts (normally escorts) otherwise it was given a Q plate. Think this was correct back in the early 80's. Not sure if this helps any.