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Front Suspension Changes - Opinions please

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Reply #15 on: June 20, 2018, 07:31:21 PM
Pretty sure red9 give you a list of parts and numbers so your hunting blind for replacements.

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Reply #16 on: June 20, 2018, 07:36:07 PM
why bother a tuned scooby lump may be being installed so wheelie bars and fiddle brakes for steering put a window in the floor for vision and front axle is redundant except for when parked.


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Reply #17 on: June 20, 2018, 07:44:54 PM
Well I know most of my messages get misunderstood,but Dave.
So,if you decide to buy and fit red9 job,one day maybe years later,for example the shocks may need to be replaced.
So that's why give you the list,so you know what to buy. ;-)up
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Reply #18 on: June 20, 2018, 08:06:24 PM
Well I know most of my messages get misunderstood,but Dave.
So,if you decide to buy and fit red9 job,one day maybe years later,for example the shocks may need to be replaced.
So that's why give you the list,so you know what to buy. ;-)up

Shocks are not usually a problem, as the likes of GAZ can custom make just about anything for a sensible price - but what would bother me are the Red9 items that are subject to wear and tear, like ball joints and boots - are they going to be an arseache to obtain at some point in the future?

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Reply #19 on: June 20, 2018, 11:30:21 PM
Anyone recognise the rack from this set up?



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Reply #20 on: June 21, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
I have a lime bug beam fitted to my buggy and you are right they are built for stock or lowered height but on my buggy that meant it was too low.
I rung them and they said it was ok to open up the adjustment slot to get more height and it would not invalidate any warranty. I did that and got the height I wanted and it has been ok since then.  There is plenty metal around the slot so its not a problem.

Gary Simpson with the GP mk1 SWB buggy has had a red9 front end fitted on his buggy so you may want to talk to him about how it handles and any problems he has had before you make up your mind. I know his bolts went rusty but you can always paint them.

I like the look of the steering rack idea where did you find that. It being left hand drive could mean a problem copying it if that rack does not come in right hand drive. 



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Reply #21 on: June 21, 2018, 11:54:07 AM
Thats good to know that Limebug allow you to open up the slots without invalidating the warranty - I had a good look at Gary`s bug at Stoneleigh, and as you say, the nuts could be painted, but in all honesty, I would probably powdercoat the whole thing anyway into something a bit more subtle than a silver block.

My mate at Kelly Bray Steering Reconditioners has just confirmed that the rack pictures came from an early Polo and from what I can summise so far is that it ticks the boxes for rods that are both equal length and as long as possible - and this should reduce bump steer.

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Reply #22 on: June 21, 2018, 12:08:17 PM
 I could be wrong but I think I remember Hazel was looking at a polo rack idea a while back. Have you had a look on the samba site to see if anyone else has used that rack idea.


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Reply #23 on: June 21, 2018, 12:17:11 PM
I could be wrong but I think I remember Hazel was looking at a polo rack idea a while back. Have you had a look on the samba site to see if anyone else has used that rack idea.

No idea what Hazel ended up with, but without a doubt, the rack of choice for most doing the conversion is Ford Escort Mk2, but using a LHD one flipped over -

I, however, prefer the longer arms of this Polo conversion as I think it could be a bit more forgiving on a self build
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Reply #24 on: June 21, 2018, 12:21:06 PM
quick search found on samba I'm not sure if they are talking about the later beetle with the different frame head   :-

This swap was covered many years ago by Volksworld magazine here in the UK. It looks a huge job! I think they used an early Passat rack, maybe because it was more readily available than the proper bug one.

 The front bulkhead needs to be modified as the steering column route is different. Also the frame head needs to be cut and clearanced for the rack, which needs to be done very carefully so it doesn't lose strength.

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Reply #25 on: June 21, 2018, 12:27:30 PM
I also found that one, and got half way through reading before giving up and thinking - Bugger That !

I`m surprised that no one seems to have come up with a kit for this though -

Allan has used the Escort rack and his conversion looks relatively simple and easy to do.
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Reply #26 on: June 21, 2018, 12:59:29 PM
I also found that one, and got half way through reading before giving up and thinking - Bugger That !

I`m surprised that no one seems to have come up with a kit for this though -

Allan has used the Escort rack and his conversion looks relatively simple and easy to do.

I am surprised lime bug has not got a kit maybe there is not enough demined.


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Reply #27 on: June 21, 2018, 01:18:42 PM
Probably still selling too many of their overpriced steering boxes to consider an alternative  ;)
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Reply #28 on: June 21, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
Bedford rascal racks were also used but I have not seen a rascal for a long time.


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Reply #29 on: June 21, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
Dave, yes that is definitely a Polo rack and the mount is made from a guy in Finland.  If you decide to go down this route I should be able to dig out his contact details.

I have this setup sitting in my garage to go onto my hot rod beetle, when I get the time and funds to build it.